Late model East German (Weltklang) tenor saxophone
East Germany (GDR)
Guide price: £50-£350
Date of manufacture: Circa 1970 onwards
Date reviewed: March 2017
The definitive catering-quality horn
Yes folks, it's the once-ubiquitous East German
Built as a stencil horn by the B&S company, these horns were
available under a bewildering array of brand names; Weltklang (B&S's
own label), B&M Champion (Barnes & Mullins' own label),
Trafford, Berg Larsen, Lafleur (who also sourced Czech-built horns)...and
probably half a dozen others, including this Elkhart branded example.
To prevent confusion I'll refer to this horn as a Weltklang throughout
At this point I should make the distinction between
this model (produced from around the early 1970s through to the
mid '90s) and the earlier models. These were considerably different
in both design and construction, and can be considered to be superior
instruments in every way.
I should also say that if you've come across this
review while researching a possible purchase of one of these horns
I can save you a great deal of time by advising you to skip the
rest of the review...and go buy something else instead.
If, however, you're a glutton for punishment - read on, and find
out what makes these horns such a risky prospect.
During the course of this review I'm going to
point out a number of problems with this horn.
But here's the thing - they're not unique to this example; they're
very much typical of the entire range. When someone calls to say
they're bringing a Weltklang in for a service, these issue are almost
certainly going to be present - and are going to have to be addressed.
You can pick these horns up quite cheaply...but what you save on
the purchase price you're likely to lose in the cost of making them
Let's make a start, then, with the design and
construction of the body.
The toneholes are drawn - but are inline, which means the centre
of each hole follows a straight line right down the body. This is
something of a throwback given that most horns of this era sported
offset toneholes, which means the lower stack hole are shifted slightly
round to the right of the upper stack holes. I don't personally
have a preference, but some players find offset toneholes provide
a better playing position while other still prefer inline (and thus
tend to favour vintage horns).
The bell is non-detachable and you get a plastic thumb rest and
a non-adjustable metal thumb rest. The sling ring is not so much
a ring but a piece of square stock brass with a hole drilled in
it. It looks a bit clunky, but it does the job.
fun starts with the toneholes. They're almost never level.
Here's a typical example - it's the low C. I could have picked any
other tonehole on this horn...there wasn't a single one that didn't
have a warp.
This isn't down to collateral damage from a nearby dent, or the
result of a bend in the tube (though this horn has a bend, as we'll
see later) - it's just the way it's been left when it rolled off
the production line.
And as far as warps go this one looks quite bad, yet it's not the
worst you're likely to find. In fact it's often the case that the
warps get proportionally worse as you go up the horn. On this tonehole
I guess I'd say that it was 30% compromised. There's a definite
dip at front left and there's another, slightly smaller, at rear
right. Some of the smaller toneholes regularly reach around the
50% mark - and the further up the horn the leak is, the more it
will affect the playability. Make no mistake - this is a major problem.
The next big issue is the design of the bell brace.
Its shape is very characteristic - unmistakable, even. If you're
in any doubt as to whether the Weltklang you're looking at is an
early or late model, take a look at the bell brace. It's not the
only distinguishing feature, but it's one of the easiest to spot
from a distance.
curious about it (from my perspective) is that it's detachable.
I'm a big fan of detachable bell braces, they come in dead handy
when you have to remove the bell section. But wait a minute...didn't
I just say that the bell wasn't detachable?
Yep. You can remove the bell brace with a screwdriver, but you still
have to fire up the gas gun to detach the bottom bow joint. I suppose
it saves a bit of time.
However, you'll quite likely need to unsolder
the bell stay mount because it's placed in such a position that
a knock to the bell will drive the brace straight into the body
- placing a large dent under the stay...and taking out the adjacent
toneholes with it (not that they'd have been level in the first
Note the weird bar to the rear of the bell brace.
This is another distinctive trademark of these late model Weltklangs
- they have 'detachable' actions.
Now, I say detachable because, in theory, you should be able to
remove the three or four screws that hold this bar in place and
simply lift the stack right off the horn. In practice there's always
an obstruction that prevents you from doing so....and you end up
having to remove almost as many keys as you would anyway. In other
words it's a complete waste of time - at least from a maintenance
perspective. As a manufacturing convenience it may well have had
a shot of the upper stack, in which you can see the bar in more
It's quite a departure from the normal methods of construction -
in which pillars are either individually fitted to the body (single
pillar construction) or fitted in groups to a common base known
as a rib or a strap, and then fitted to the body as a single unit
(known as ribbed construction). I guess you'd call this 'bar construction'.
Note the size of the base on that top lug. It's reassuringly large.
This marks this example out as a very late model. Earlier versions
sported much smaller bases...and even earlier versions had no base
at all, just a lump of hex brass soldered straight onto the body.
this created quite a problem - because one of the joys of owning
a Weltklang is the cheerful sound of bits falling off and hitting
the floor. It's often said that cheap saxes will fall apart - and
for the most part it's complete rubbish...but when it comes to the
Weltklang I'm afraid it's very much par for the course. Some of
it's down to the design - but a great deal of it's down to the quality
of the solder (it's bloody awful). The real stinger is that while
you might readily spot that one of your bell key guard stays has
come adrift (again), you might never suss that one of the action
bar lugs has come adrift...and you continue to play quite happily,
though perhaps wondering why the horn seems to be rather less responsive
than it once was. Assuming it ever was, of course.
And it's not just the bell key stays and the bar lugs that fall
off - take a look at those pillar bases. They're a bit on the mean
side - and this, coupled with the dreadful solder, can sometimes
mean that they fall off. In some cases you might even be treated
to the spectacle of an entire key falling to the ground.
This is why it pays to examine the bodywork quite
carefully. You'll often see signs of resoldering - and it's a fair
bet that not all of it will be entirely neat. It can be a complete
pain in the arse to have to completely dismantle half a horn (again)
just to refit a poxy stay (again), which is why such repairs are
often attempted 'in situ'. This seldom works because you can't clean
the old joint properly and you have limited access when it comes
to cleaning up the inevitable mess. This also explains why you're
quite likely to see that parts have been refitted with a drop of
This can actually be quite an effective repair in some circumstances
- and certainly no less likely to fail than the original joint.
notice I've drifted into discussing the keywork - and it's here
where, perhaps, the horn gets its reputation of being 'built like
There's no doubt about it, the keywork is as tough as old boots.
Whatever problems the Weltklang has (and it has many), bendy keys
isn't one of them. Unfortunately, strong keywork doesn't really
add anything to the overall robustness of the horn if the underlying
structure is weak (which it is).
A more accurate statement would be 'it looks like a tank', and the
relative crudity of the keywork's designs bears this out. Have a
look at the bell key table. No frills here.
To be fair it's not that bad a design - it certainly not what you'd
call slick, but it's at least quite functional. A despite looking
like someone's cut the touchpieces out of a lump of brass with a
pair of scissors, it's by no means the worst bell key table out
Note the square sling ring beneath the horn.
aren't much better at the other end of the bell keys.
They've gone for a two-piece design, which necessitates the use
of sliding connectors between the lever keys and a cup keys. This
always gives the action a very approximate, clunky feel which translates
into a bit of sponginess at the table keys.
It's also something of a puzzle that they've opted for a levered
design for the low B and Bb, but fitted a single-piece low C# key.
Should've been the other way round, really.
On the plus side they've stuck with simple fork and pin connectors
for the side Bb/C keys - and while the octave mech is a bit on the
clunky side it's nonetheless quite robust, and at least features
a profiled touchpiece.
Another plus is that they've used proper point screws throughout
- which is handy if the action ever needs tightening up - and a
non-ferrous (i.e. not steel) alloy for the rod screws. This is a
very useful feature for a horn aimed at the student market, because
it means the rods won't rust due to a lack of oil.
It sounds like the sort of thing all the manufacturers should be
using, but as with most things there are pros and cons. Wear is
one of them - and although the alloy won't rust it can still corrode
over time (though nowhere near as quickly as steel will rust). It's
also a great deal easier to break a screw slot if you're at all
heavy-handed with a screwdriver - and this is another 'feature'
you need to be aware of when examining a potential purchase.
So we have a few problems with the body coupled
with a slightly agricultural action - but here's where things get
really, really bad. It's the corks and the pads.
The use of the unusual bar construction and the detachable bell
brace suggest that some though has gone into making this horn quick
and easy to manufacture - and they've extended this philosophy to
the key corks.
not corks at all - they're bits of rubber. Bits of squishy rubber
If you consider that the job of these corks is to prevent metal-to-metal
contact while being neither too hard to be noisy nor too soft to
maintain consistency - they're almost a complete failure. This model
sports black rubber 'corks', but earlier versions used red rubber
ones...and even earlier models simply used a piece of rubber tubing
that fitted over the key feet like a lumpy old sock. They certainly
work as a means of preventing metal-to-metal contact, but that's
really the best that can be said for them.
As regulation corks they're particularly useless, being far too
squidgy to maintain a consistent tolerance - and they also tend
to break down and degrade over time, which makes them rather sticky.
And then they either fall apart or fall off. They shouldn't really
work at all, but they do so because of the other 'killer' feature...the
Oh my, the East German pads.
These things are legendary amongst repairers. They're arguably as
legendary as the renowned Gordon Beeson pads - the difference being
that one is revered and one is reviled. Can you guess which is which?
Let me put you out of your misery. Here are a couple of Weltklang
There's actually something of a mystery about these pads - no-one
seems to know for sure what the 'leather' is made of. It sort of
looks like leather, and it sort of feels like leather, but it isn't
leather. Or if it is, they've done something terrible to it. It's
undeniably tough stuff, I'll give it that - but it has a very fibrous
consistency. It puts me in mind of the sort of material you'd get
if you gave someone an old shoe and a sheet of asbestos, and told
them to chew on it for a couple of years before spitting it out.
Does anyone know for sure what this stuff is? Anyone? At all??
The next point of interest is the internal ring.
this isn't a new idea - it was a device much favoured by Conn in
their 'Resopads'. In technical terms it's rather a neat idea. One
of the problems with a standard pad is that it's almost impossible
to make it flat. The felt core, by its very nature, is flexible
- and where the leather is stretched over the pad it tends to pull
the edges of the felt core downwards. This results in a edge that
rolls off - and in practical terms that means there's less properly
flat surface area on the pad.
It's no big deal as rule - but as the size of the pad approaches
the size of the tonehole it has to cover, the rolloff can become
Think in terms of trying to put your thumb over a hosepipe under
pressure. You can cover a small hose with ease - no water will escape
- but as the hose gets larger it becomes increasingly difficult
to maintain a reliable seal. Water starts spurting out from the
rolloff on the side of your thumb...and you get wet.
So the metal ring serves as a sort of brace, allowing
the leather to be stretched over it rather than the felt core. It
also increases the working diameter of the pad. A normal pad fits
right inside a key cup, but a 'Resopad' sits on top of the rim of
the cup...so you get around an extra millimetre or so on the working
diameter. It's a neat idea - but, as usual, there are pros and cons...and
one of the biggest cons is that the exposed edge of the pad tends
to get scuffed in use, and the metal ring exacerbates this problem.
The leather wears, it breaks, then splits and then tears. Or rather
it would if it were proper leather. The Weltklang stuff just sits
there, shrugging off just about anything you can throw at it. It
doesn't even burn, fergawdssake.
And then we come to the felt core. Now, I say felt - but, again,
I'm not entirely sure what this stuff is. Remember the poor soul
who's busily chewing away on the old shoe and asbestos? There's
another one chewing on an old tea towel and a ball of string. Whatever
this stuff is, it's as soft as...well, know the score.
And then there's backing, or rather the complete lack of it. A pad
needs a backing, to help firm it up and to prevent shellac/glue
from contaminating the felt. Without it you'd have to rely on there
being sufficent glue in the key cup and complete coverage of the
pad base...and that ain't gonna happen when all you're using to
stick them in with is a dollop of industrial-strength Evo-Stik.
It all adds up to a pad that, on the one hand, is as hardwearing
as a nuclear fallout shelter and on the other is as firm as lump
of ripe Brie.
But this is both a blessing and a curse when it
comes to the Weltklang, because while it's bloody awful it's exactly
what you need if you're going to fit it to a horn with wobbly toneholes
and regulation corks made out of old tyres.
you're lucky enough to have level toneholes, and some kindly soul
has replaced all the rubber with nice bits of proper cork, there's
a good chance that these pads will outlive you....as long as you
don't mind a rather vague feel to the action and a couple of leaks
here and there. Don't even think about having the pads reset...it's
simply not going to happen.
So now we have to put all this together and come
up with an impression as to how the horn feels and plays.
Well, it feels bloody awful.
No, really, it does. There's no poise, no grace, no finesse about
these things. If you're an 800 pound gorilla it'll be fine - but
anyone else will stumble over the 'ergonomics' and fall foul of
the combined effects of the crappy pads and bouncy key corks. The
plastic key pearls aren't much fun either.
The situation isn't helped by the rather old-fashioned design of
the keywork, what with the quaint levers on the bell keys and some
of the slightly bizarre positioning (did you clock the position
of the front top F touchpiece in the opening shot?). You also have
to contend with all the top stack keys being mounted on a single
rod - which is a design that's particularly prone to flexing.
This example was fitted with blued steel springs (not bad), but
earlier ones used a strange kind of soft black steel springs. They
weren't great...but they didn't often break, I'll give them that
And as for the playability.
I know I'm going to ruffle quite a few feathers here - but I believe
this has to be said. They're mediocre blowers.
I've heard it said that Weltklangs have quite a vintage tone. I
guess that's because they're not what you'd call a bright horn.
But here's the thing - the absence of a bright, clear, freeblowing
tone is not the same as a vintage one.
A vintage tone is a complex thing, made up from a finely-balanced
harmonic structure. Its depth is tempered by the sheen of subtle
brilliance, its midrange imbued with both power and expression.
That, my friends, is a vintage tone - and that, my friends, is precisely
what the Weltklang doesn't have.
Sure, it can honk out a line - it's brash, it's graunchy, but it's
almost entirely two-dimensional. I have a feeling that most of what
people mistake for a vintage tone is down to the fact that the vast,
vast majority of these horns are leaking like a sieve that's seen
better days. I've played them at their worst, and I've played them
at their best - and they're comprehensively outclassed in every
department by just about any other horn out there.
If you're still not convinced, there's yet one
more monster hiding under the bed. It's the smell.
Yup, that's right - the smell. It's yet another one of those inexplicable
Weltklang mysteries. These horns - how shall I put this - ripen
Don't get me wrong, I quite like the musty aroma of a fine vintage
horn (I'm funny that way). The piquancy of tarnishing silver, the
musk of old brass, the leafy notes of fading leather....ahh, 'tis
a simple pleasure.~
You get nothing like that from a stinky ol' Weltklang - it's more
of the tramp than the truffle.
there's no getting rid of it either. You can soak the damn things
in Febreeze for all the good it will do - the niff will always return.
Nobody knows what causes it. Is it the strange faux leather? Is
it the tenacious glue that sticks the pads in place? Could it even
be some kind of bizarre lubricant? The worst of it is that if you
turn up on stage with one of these things, your fellow musicians
won't think it's your horn that's responsible for the pong - they'll
think it's you....and you'll forever after be known as 'that dude
with the stinky horn'.
It might well be something to do with the case. It's a very simple
box affair with a typicality Eastern Bloc approach to padding. In
other words it has virtually none at all.
If you buy a Weltklang the very next thing you'll need to buy (after
a clothes peg for your nose) is a decent case. These horns are fragile
enough as it is, but rattling about in what's little more than a
badly fitted wooden box isn't going to do the horn any favours at
all. In fact that's exactly what had happened to this particular
horn - a classic example of 'case shock', whereby the case takes
a whack and the resulting shock gets transmitted down the horn's
bell brace and straight into the body...which promptly bends.
Removing such bends is tricky enough on any horn, but on a Weltklang
you have the added problem of various bits falling off during the
straightening process. It's not much fun, hence it tends not to
The best that can be said of the case is that it has catches fitted
rather than zips -which is always a plus in my books.
It's my very sincere hope that this review will
dissuade many of you from investing your hard-earned cash one of
these old boilers.
Over the years I've worked on hundreds of these horns simply because
they were once the staple fare of any school that had a music department.
In time they were replaced with far better horns from the likes
of Jupiter et al - but they still keep turning up on the workbench.
Some of this, undoubtedly, will be down to first-time buyers who
don't know any better - but a fair number of them are bought by
people who really ought to know better, but who are fooled by positive
comments on various forums...probably by people who're trying to
sell them. "Vintage tone!" "Tough as old boots!"
"Great fun!" "Cheap and cheerful!".
Some are fooled by the fact that the
baritone version is actually quite playable - but that's the
thing with instruments...the deeper they go, the more you can get
away with. If you think the tenor's bad you should try a Weltklang
alto - or, if you're bonkers enough, a soprano.
I get that these things can be picked up quite
cheaply, but you have to be realistic about what you're likely to
get for your money. If you just want a horn there are lots of used
Taiwanese models out there, as well as any number of Chinese horns.
You'll still be taking a chance but you'd really have to go some
to be worse off than buying a Weltklang. And if you're after something
with a more vintage air, there are plenty of old USA stencil and
less well-known European horns out there that routinely sell at
budget prices. But if you're dead set on buying a Weltklang I'd
strongly recommend doing some in-depth research as to which models
to go for (now that you know which ones to avoid). A good starting
point would be the excellent article on the Bassic
At the very least think very, very carefully before you press the
'Buy It Now' button...